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Stop Doing Stupid Stuff™️ Podcast: Measuring What Matters: Attendance vs. Engagement

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Welcome to another exciting episode of the Stop Doing Stupid Stuff ™️ The Future of Work: Aligning Productivity and Engagement with Data-Driven Strategies podcast, where timely topics and thought-provoking discussions challenge how organizations approach work. In this episode, co-hosts Tim Keefe and Andreas Wieman take on the evolving workplace landscape, discussing everything from return-to-office mandates to hybrid models and four-day workweeks. Tune in as they ask the hard-hitting question: What are we measuring regarding employee engagement and productivity?

In this episode, Tim and Andreas explore the growing debate surrounding workplace models, particularly regarding return-to-office mandates and the ongoing shift toward hybrid and work-from-home options. They critically examine how companies measure productivity and engagement, questioning whether the focus on attendance needs to improve in assessing real contributions. Drawing on personal anecdotes and industry insights, they delve into the importance of a balanced scorecard approach to evaluate presence and meaningful outcomes. They also discuss the broader organizational issues related to fear-based cultures, outdated training, and the lack of alignment between leadership and frontline workers.



Key Points Discussed

Return to Office vs. Work from Home Models:

Tim explores the varying approaches companies like AWS take, from mandating a return to the office to fully embracing remote work, and how some companies have adopted hybrid or four-day workweeks.

The discussion questions whether companies are focusing too much on attendance and not enough on measuring meaningful work outcomes.

The Challenge of Effective Engagement:

Andreas emphasizes that companies have difficulties maintaining routine and consistency when some employees are in the office and others work remotely.

They explore how communication and engagement strategies must adapt to these mixed environments, ensuring employees remain connected and productive.

Outdated Office Culture and Habits:

Tim humorously reflects on office cultures of the past, where much of the day could be lost to coffee breaks and socializing, comparing it to today’s fixation on office attendance as a sign of productivity.

The conversation explores how these old habits resurface in return-to-office mandates, often without improving work outcomes.

Scorecard IQ and Measuring What Matters:

They discuss the need for companies to move beyond attendance metrics and embrace a balanced scorecard approach, which would evaluate the true contributions of employees at every level.

The upcoming Scorecard IQ tool is mentioned as a solution to help organizations align individual and organizational goals.

Employee Engagement Crisis:

Referencing studies that show only 30% of employees are engaged at work, Tim and Andreas explore how poor communication, lack of clear objectives, and outdated training exacerbate this issue.

They emphasize the cost of disengaged employees and the potential for businesses to improve productivity through better measurement and support systems.

Fear-Based Cultures and Poor Leadership:

Andreas points out that many organizations suffer from a fear-based culture, where leaders rely on rigid policies instead of independent thinking, leading to disengaged teams.

They advocate for updating training programs and creating environments where employees and leaders feel empowered to take action without fear of retaliation.

Power Quotes:


  • Tim: "If your factory were only operating at 70% effectiveness, you'd burn the factory down and build a new one. Yet, that's exactly what’s happening with employee engagement today."

  • Tim: "Measuring attendance feels like grade school all over again. Did you show up? Nobody's asking if you contributed anything."

  • Andreas: "Stop relying on company policies written in 1998 to solve your 2024 problems. You need logic, emotional intelligence, and real-time data to lead effectively."

  • Andreas: "If you're in a fear organization, break the chains off. Go figure it out. You might find the clarity and courage to stop doing stupid stuff."


Summary

Tim and Andreas provide a thought-provoking discussion about the current workplace dynamics and the shift in how companies measure success. They highlight the dangers of focusing on attendance rather than real outcomes and highlight gaps in leadership and employee engagement. 

By introducing the Scorecard IQ and emphasizing the need for better communication and leadership training, the hosts offer a roadmap for companies to improve productivity and engagement in the modern workplace.

Thank you for listening to this episode of Stop Doing Stupid Stuff. If the conversation around workplace models and employee engagement resonated, consider subscribing to the podcast for more insightful discussions. Be sure to share this episode with colleagues and leaders who are navigating similar challenges. 

For more information on upcoming releases, including Scorecard IQ, and our latest booksvisit our website and stay connected for future episodes!

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